Session Start: Wed Jan 22 01:17:21 1997
<GaryD> Ok, folks things will be underway shortly. Well folks,
welcome to another Artist Shop chat. Our guest tonight is Alchemy
solo artist and bassist, Gary Willis, also a member of the jazz ensemble
Tribal Tech.
<Willis> OK, I'm set.
<AnilP> hmm, this is intimate..
<Willis> Hey Anil.
<AnilP> yo gary
<Pancho> That's an independent artist!
<Willis> Hey, I'm a complete chat newbie so take it easy on me.
<Pancho> I am too!
<AnilP> what kind of batteries do you use in your pick-ups?
<Pancho> hahahehehihihi
<Willis> Serious? sorry...
<AnilP> duracel or energizer. people wanna know dammit.
<Willis> I've heard there's a functional difference. If you really
want to know.
<AnilP> okay, a real one -- do you have any "superstitions" you
adhere to before or during a gig?
<Willis> Absolutely not. We do our own gear so that's too much of
a luxury. No time for that.
<GaryD> Let's talk a little about "No Sweat"....
<Pancho> Yeah!
<Willis> Yes?
<GaryD> From listening to the album, the thing that hits me right
off the bat is the interaction between you and Dennis Chambers. I
could listen to a whole album of just the two of you.....
<Willis> Thanks.
<Pancho> How did you hook up with Dennis?
<GaryD> And tell us about working with him....the chemistry seems
so tight.
<Willis> We shared some of the same stages opening up for Mike Stern
or vice-versa. Got to know him that way. In rehearsal, and recording,
there was never hardly a discussion about how to play one way or another.
He's got great instincts so it just clicked.
<Pancho> He's got the FONK!
<Willis> Definitely!!
<Pancho> So do you!
<Willis> Gracias.
<Pancho> I was just listening to Stoopid, and that's righteous FONK!
<Willis> That was fun, thanks.
<AnilP> What made you decide on the quartet format you took for
the disc?
<Willis> I'd done some playing/jamming with Tav over the years and
he seemed natural fit with Kinsey. Also the music needed some melody
sounds that didn't come from me or keyboards (or guitar).
<AnilP> What were some of the challenges you faced in the role of
"leader?"
<Willis> Actually, it's easier than being a "co-leader". Not a power
trip, just less of a hassle all around. Logistics, rehearsals, studios
were the only possible hangups, but not really.
<Pancho> Are you touring with this band ?
<Willis> There's a possibilty of Europe this summer.
<Pancho> I'm movin' to Europe, then! I think Tavaglione is
really underrated!
<Willis> Way! Extremely, versatile, musical etc.!
<GaryD> The approach on your album seems very subtle. Not
that the musicianship isn't immediately evident. But the album seems
to avoid flash in favor of some very tasteful playing. It's a true
ensemble feel as opposed to a group backing someone up. Could you
comment on that?
<Willis> Well, I guess it comes from using simple tunes and structures
so that you have to listen and base what you play on interaction instead
of the wall of notes thing.
<Pancho> He's quite hot, I just got his 'Blue Tav'!
<Willis> Is Blue Tav the latest? Within the last month or so?
<Pancho> It's a japanese album from 94. Don't you know it?
<Willis> I've heard parts of that one.
<lm> I am the one who is rather new to all this. I logged on earlier
as a "test" and was surprised at getting an anwer from Gary Willis Thank
you so much for the day brightner!
<Pancho> What are your expectation in terms of sales? (Sorry to
be so cold, but I'm curious)
<Willis> No problem. I have to keep "No Sweat" from my vocabulary
in order so seem modest.
<Pancho> Was that title your idea?
<Willis> Yeah, after going through all the stupider sounding ones.
<lm> Although it is obvious that the music of 'None Too Soon' had
a lot of musical planning to it, was some of it improvisational?
<Willis> It was. But more like we had to imagine Allan playing since
he didn't track with us. (studio size problems mostly)
<Pancho> Were you familiar with the original versions of the Joe
Henderson tunes you did? (Inner Urge, 1964)
<GaryD> You mean you did your tracks and he dubbed his later
<Willis> That's it. Gordon Beck did some playing with Joe
H. so he was the most familiar with those versions.
<Pancho> I didn't know that.. Beck is another underrated guy!
Jeez, you're all underrated !! You should do an album: 'Underrated
Jazz'
<lm> lmiller again: When are any tours planned?
<Willis> Allan's touring Europe this spring with a trio. Dave Carpenter
and a drummer TBA.
<lm> lmiller: Imeant,when is "youself" and band touring?
<Willis> Tribal Tech is going to Europe in April and Austrailia
in June.
<lm> lmiller:Ah... I can't afford to go to Europe to see Allan or
yourself nor to Austrila!(sigh)
<Willis> We ususally do the states every fall so the closest we
get to College Station is Austin.
<lm> lmiller:alright! That's not far Will make "Tenative " plans
!
<xXCOOLXx> What type of bass do u use?
<Willis> A custom Ibanez fretless based on the 885 body shape.
<xXCOOLXx> So I would assume it is active electronics true?
<Willis> It's a Bartolini wound with fewer turns hard wired to the
jack so no internal electronics at all.
<Pancho> Allan should tour with Peter Erskine! Are you playing
new material?
<Willis> Allan just played the NAMM show with Peter but I missed
it.
<Pancho> That must have been something!
<GaryD> As a bassist, which bassists would you say influence you
the most?
<Willis> Rocco Prestia, Paul Jackson, Anthony Jackson and of course
Pastorious.
<Pancho> Are you still touring in support of Reality Check?
<Willis> Since we haven't recorded anything since, I guess so.
<Pancho> I bought a Tower of Power CD because everybody digs Rocco
.. I was not dissapointed ! He's got style!
<GaryD> What label is Tribal Tech on?
<Willis> Currently none. But we have a couple of labels that are
interested so something will happen soon.
<lm> lmiller:Some may know this but I don't What are your musical
influences and general faves?
<Pancho> Was Jeff Berlin an influence?
<Willis> That's a hard one to keep short. How about, TOP, Herbie,
Miles, Joe Z, Wayne, Marvin Gaye, War, Aretha, Aaron Copeland, I could
go on. 'Can't say that Jeff was an influence.
<Pancho> What do you think of be-bop?
<Willis> I learned the most about the instrument from playing be-bop.
<numbr6> Any particular bebop a favorite?
<Willis> Well, Bill Evans was be-bop and post-be-bop. I probably
learned the most from listening to him.
<Pancho> I notice that your solos are quite pentatonic sometimes
!
<Willis> I probably use them to a fault, but they can be energetic
without sounding like a formula.
<lm> When did you begin playing?
<Willis> I got a bass when I was 13. Victor probably started before
that.
<AnilP> Gary, a number of people say the electric bass is still
very much in its evolutionary stages. Do you agree? And if so, at what
"point" do you think it's at right now?
<Willis> It is a relatively "young" instrument. I've never really
compared it to other instruments. 'wouldn't know.
<AnilP> Okay, where do you think *you* are in your ability to manipulate
the instrument to your ends.
<Willis> I've been able to say what I want to so far on the instrument
to a certain extent. But, the bigger challenge to me is writing the music
that presents what I have to say in a band context or otherwise.
<Pancho> Don't you think that playing over bebop-style changes limits
the melodic possibilities? Do you like to play over a two.chord vamp, for
example?
<Willis> If you develop you're vocabulary the right way then changes
or no changes shouldn't affect what you have to say. Coltrane wrote Giant
Steps and Impressions.
<lm> lmillerI am new to your music but I checked out snippetts from
"No Sweat" Very "Inticing!"
<AnilP> No Sweat was a bit a 'Giant Step' for you. Where do you
want to take your solo career from here? Did you compose the initial
threads of the pieces on 'No Sweat' on bass? Or do you write on other instruments
too?
<Willis> I pretty much stay with my computer/keyboards and rarely
use the bass to compose.
<Pancho> Hi tech guy!
<numbr6> Please forgive if common knowledge - you're pictured with
a fretless bass in the "None Too Soon" booklet - do you play fretless exclusively?
<Willis> Yeah, I used a fretted for some parts of my solo CD
but otherwise its all fretless.
<Pancho> Gary, do you remember your first gig?
<Willis> I got a bass when I was 13 on a Thursday and I was playing
in church that Sunday. My first paying gig was at a restuarant when I was
20.
<Pancho> Fast boy!
<AnilP> Now that you've completed your first solo outing, how will
that change what you bring to Tribal Tech next time around?
<Willis> Henderson and I plan to bring zero to TT on the next CD.
It will be completely improvised in the studio.
<Pancho> Wild!
<AnilP> Is that a new approach for the band?
<lm> lmiller completely improvised! Alright!
<Pancho> You did something similar in Illicit, didn't you?
<Willis> We've included a few jams on previous CD's but mostly we've
been trying to jam in concert.
<Willis> Riot & Aftermath.
<Pancho> Yeah
<GaryD> I think it's about time for our ritual trivia question.
Gary's going to give away an autographed copy of "No Sweat" Whoever's
the first to answer the question gets it. What question have you
got for us, Gary?
<Willis> OK, name the year, model, make and color of the official
Tribal Tech US tour vehicle.
<GaryD> Holy Cow!!!
<lm> lmillerawww shucks!
<AnilP> '78 Pinto, baby blue, Ford
<Pancho> 1962, Ford Pinto, Cherry Red with white spots!
<Willis> anything close?
<GaryD> It's your call, Gary.
<Pancho> VW bug, 1947, plaid
<GaryD> I'd suggest you put in a guess numbr6. You're as likely
to get this one as anyone else :-)
<Willis> How about in order of importance, Make, Color, model and
year.
<AnilP> how about another question? :-)
<Pancho> lamborghini Countach, 1997, black
<lm> lmiller 1956, green with Dave Brubeck blasting from the speakers
in the van
<Pancho> Yes, yes!
<Willis> OK, what was the name of the restuarant of my first gig,
(mentioned in this month's Bass Frontiers mag).
<Pancho> Van Halen, not Brubeck!
<Pancho> Joe's
<Pancho> Dante's
<Willis> We actually blast the Simpsons (we got a TV)
<Pancho> The Golden Arches
<lm> lm try again here Wendys
<Pancho> This is too difficult!
<Willis> It is a "chain" but not fast-food
<numbr6> The Russian Tea Room
<numbr6> it's a new chain :^)
<Willis> another question?
<Pancho> yeah!
<GaryD> i think so
<lm> lm yes please!
<Willis> What's the name of the first record label Tribal Tech recorded
'Spears and Dr. Hee on?
<lm> lm
<Pancho> Jet
<Pancho> Passport jazz
<AnilP> Jambalaya Music
<Willis> Pancho is correct!!
<Pancho> I win, I rule
<Pancho> hahahehehihihuhuhu!
<winner> Passport sucked!
<Willis> tell me about it.
<AnilP> What's up with Spears and Hee anyway Gary? Are we ever gonna
see 'em again?
<winner> They went bankrupt! They had some goo records though!
good
<Willis> We put out Primal Tracks with some of those cuts but as
far as I know it's only available on import.
<winner> I still got 'The Players' with Scotty and Jeff Berlin !
It rules!
<AnilP> why not just reissue the originals? players!
i've been looking for those discs for years.
<Willis> That's an investment that our previous 3 labels didn't
want to make.
<AnilP> are you guys still on bluegoon?
<Willis> Henderson still is recording his blues oriented thing for
them but no TT.
<AnilP> so where is TT gonna land?
<winner> The mothership!
<Willis> We've been able to do 7+ records with no interference from
"executives" so I don't look at it as a curse. Probably a European label
since we work more over there.
<winner> Is the scene dead in the US?
<AnilP> winner, we're talking about a country that puts John Tesh
and Kenny G in its jazz sections...
<Willis> Well, due to the size and distance between gigs we've had
to cut back the US tour part. We have some dedicated fans so I can't say
it's "dead"
<winner> Here's one!
<Willis> Anil> OK it's dead.
<winner> So Europeans are gonna save good american music again!
Just as they did in the fifties and sixties!
<winner> Viva Europa and their good taste!
<Willis> "A prophet is without honor in his own land"?
<GaryD> With the way the internet is constantly expanding and developing,
do you see a point where the internet can offer the touring artist the
option of inexpensive to produce, live pay per views?
<Willis> Whew, I wouldn't want to bet on it considering tonite's
participation, my fault, of course.
<AnilP> Gary, what's your theory on why America doesn't support
jazz in the mainstream? It seems very much a fringe music except for heavies
like The Marsalis Mafia.
<Willis> It's a very industry driven machine, MTV, advertising,
it's all based on the lower denominators so the exposure isn't there for
people tochoose.
<GaryD> Yes, the corporate mentality is all geared to the lowest
common denominator to achieve the highest financial gain. What they
want is homogeny in order to achieve the greatest sales.
<winner> Gary, what are your memories of 'Minor Elegance' with Diorio
and Ford ?. I think some of your best playing is there ! You and
Peter swinnnnnng!
<Willis> Thanks, stylistically it was more of a traditional walking
role that I dig as well.
<winner> I've turned 6 friends into TT and they love it! That's
the only way!
<Willis> Winner, That's how we've stayed alive, thanks.
<winner> You're welcome! And this is only the beginning....
<AnilP> Are you able to maintain a decent lifestyle at the level
you're at?
<winner> Yeah, good question! (As always)
<Willis> We've always known that financially this music wouldn't
be very rewarding but as long as you are aware of it you don't set yourself
up for dissapointment.
<GaryD> Seems to me I just heard today someone claim that the problem
with the music industry was that it used to be run by people who were in
it for the music, many of them musicians themselves. Those people
are gone and in there place are McDonald's executives.
<winner> A friend of mine is an exec at PolyGram and he's the only
one in the staff who plays an instrument or even knows about good music
!
<GaryD> And who is your friend?
<AnilP> :-)
<winner> But, good music can sell, what about Weather Report?
<AnilP> welcome to 1997 winner
<GaryD> If good music receives no support, good music can fail,
too.
<Willis> True, they had a "hit" that wouldn't probably survive the
machinery in place today.
<winner> Yeah !
<AnilP> name one "fusion" band that sells like weather report ever
did... hell, even the fuzak boys (eg; Yellowjackets, Spyro Gyra, even Chick
Corea) seem to be having a tough time.
<winner> Isn't it a matter of education?
<AnilP> It's interesting, I had an interesting conversation with
a friend yesterday. We were talking about how the "current generation"
seems to be the least culturally and artistically motivated one ever...
<Willis> Since our fans are mostly musicians you could say that
education is it. but there are some complete non-musician fans as well,
I think it's more of having an open mind.
<AnilP> Maybe we're way off base though.
<GaryD> Funding for arts and arts education has been drastically
cut. At least in the US. How is it in Canada and Chile?
<winner> I remember going to see The Spider play in a school (Los
Alamitos) in California (1990) and I was impressed by two things: The place
wasn't even half full ???!! And the school had a jazz bigband that
was better than any Chilean pro jazz band!
<AnilP> Funding has decreased dramatically in Canada, but it hasn't
plunged to the ridiculous level of the united states. Old Newty and
his "let's cut the endowment fund and NPR" really scare the crap out of
me.
<GaryD> I think it's a Republican plot to make more Republican's
in the next generation. I can see them behind closed doors saying
"All them damn artists are liberals! We can't have all these liberals.
Let's cut the arts funding and more of those kids will grow up to be Republicans."
<winner> The situation in Chile is even worse, the democratic government
has done nothing of real value to make it better! MTV rules here too!
<AnilP> it was nice to see newty take a HARD one to the chin recently.
<GaryD> Not hard enough
<AnilP> uh... this politico talk isn't gonna be in the transcript
is it?
<winner> Hey GaryD, remember that Kenny G played for Clinton, not
for Bush!
<Willis> Maybe I should start looking for a day gig. A chapeau salesman
perhaps.
<AnilP> ball caps!
<winner> hahahehehuhuhihiho
<GaryD> You could probably sell a few Chapeau to Mike Keneally.
<winner> Hey Gary, If you had to put D'Addario strings on your bass,
what would you do?
<GaryD> BTW, we'll be chatting with Mike at the end of February.
<Willis> Hey, I've become more open mined recently. maybe not That
much.
<winner> I personally would become Vinnie Colaiuta, or Kirk Covington!
<AnilP> gary, how many beers did you guys go through during bassfest
in Montreal in '95? :-)
<Willis> I guess you could call them "musicians" what's the chat
symbol for "kidding"
<Willis> Actually, I only drink beer in Canada. They say it's more
potent. I don't ever drink it any other time so I don't know.
<winner> Mr Willis, do you have a traditional family?
<Willis> I have a wife and 2 Labrador retrievers. No kids except
for the dogs. They're family though.
<winner> Dog Party!
<AnilP> don't even start with that man... :-)
<winner> So TT is a dog lovin band!
<AnilP> WHERE'S MY DOG??!
<Willis> Kirk recently got a puppy and Kinsey's roommate has a Lab
so we're hooked.
<winner> Shit!
<AnilP> i was wondering what the hell was up with henderson at the
second to last l'air du temps stint
<winner> You can start a kennel!
<AnilP> he kept yelling "where's my dog!?" there were more than
a few people in the crowd wondering what he was on. :-)
<GaryD> Well, this has been great fun, folks. Everyone keep
in touch and we'll do this again, soon.
Session Close: Wed Jan 22 1997